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it_user7671 - PeerSpot reviewer
Architect at a tech services company with 1,001-5,000 employees
Consultant
Jul 10, 2013
An excellent product for scale up and scale out approach

I believe vBlock as an Architecture is geared for well designed and highly scalable Cloud implemenations where the emphasis is on "standardization". vBlock is an excellent product for scale up and scale out approach. By coupling Compute, Storage, Network, Hypervisor into a single Rack, the Rack is self becomes a "unit".

Furthermore, you get a single support group. You dont need to run to multiple vendors/partners for support. vBlock basically breaks the concept of a having a monolithic tiered SAN and Access layer Networking. Instead, you get distributed Storage and Networking in the Racks and this makes vBlock a product highly scalable.

Disclosure: My company does not have a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer.
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Infrastructure Expert at a pharma/biotech company with 1,001-5,000 employees
Real User
Apr 10, 2013
Designed to make IT life simpler (infrastructure framework) and more cost effective (an appliance) for an organization.
Pros and Cons
  • "The Vblock is designed to make IT life simpler (infrastructure framework) and more cost effective (an appliance) for an organization."
  • "I think there needs to be more tools to monitor and manage the Vblock™ as a whole, instead of pieces."

Valuable Features:

Vblock™ – 3 of the World Technology Leaders Come together (something rarely seen) 

To start out I am NOT an employee for VCE/EMC/Cisco. This is based off of my own opinions and experiences. Now let’s get started 

The future of technology seems to be about effectively using datacenter resources and underutilized hardware. I believe that you need to converge infrastructure components to effectively use a datacenter. To me, a Vblock™ is basically a Technology Appliance that allows organizations to raise the bar for infrastructure utilization.

In order to maximize you’re spending (OPEX - operating expense) as well as your infrastructure utilization, you will have to have convergence and Vblock™ does this effectively. 

I also believe that Vblock™ will allow you to build and get to a cloud model in a much faster well-organized way.What I believe and have seen with the Vblock™ is that it allows an organization to move more effectively toward a Private Cloud model as well as maintain a high-level of performance to their customers. The Vblock™ alone will NOT get you to a “cloud model” but it’s a major step in the right direction. Vblock™ allows you to have a converged infrastructure that allows you to pool storage, computing and networking to optimize datacenter infrastructure (lower TCO - total cost of ownership). Seemingly, you get better performance in a black box at a lower cost. 

In my opinion Vblock™ technology allows you to virtualize and consolidate your systems while continuing to provide a high-level of performance that has been tested prior to running in your datacenter environment (validation of an outcome). Vblock™ (Standard components and devices based on my experiences): 

  • Cisco UCS blade chassis 5108s. • Cisco B230s and B200s UCS Blade Models
  • VMax and VNX 7500 Storage Models (EMC storage devices). 
  • Cisco networking switches (6140s & 55xx) and FCOE inside UCS for connectivity (Standard Vblock™) 
  • EMC RecoverPoint™ SAN replication (Block Base) with native splitters on the storage devices

Vblock™ allows an organization to standardize on what I call a ‘complete infrastructure framework/platform’ with many different components (Compute/Network/Storage). This can simplify an organization’s support as well as help companies move away from a fragmented infrastructure. This convergence (pooling) allows you to share resources to infrastructure components at the same time. 

Vblock™ allows for higher density level in a datacenter which can reduce your physical footprint. I have seen where Vblock™ technology allows cost savings by reduction in hardware maintenance cost (smaller carbon footprint) as well as consolidation on the virtual side. 

UCS manager allows companies to profile their systems for specific settings based on what application may run and where it will run (server profiles) for fast deployments and provisioning. This builds in versatility when you have hardware failures. 

Finally, Vblock™ model has allowed for ease of management from my experiences.

In addition, Vblock™ does enable disaster recovery plans/exercises and effective off-site recoverability to be more structured (i.e. simpler to perform) from my experience. That’s not only the Vblock™ but a major component of disaster recovery and business continuity. I have also experienced EMC RecoverPoint™ deployed with Vblock™ technology to perform state-full SAN replication on the backend with EMC storage to do block replication. This type of replication allows for a smaller RPO (recover point objective). I have also experienced EMC Data Domain® and Avamar® Grids deployed for effective virtual machine and database backup and restore capability. The replication from Vblock™ to Vblock™ allows us to focus on true “application” DRs vs. infrastructure DR opportunities. 

My Opinion: The Vblock™ is designed, to make IT life simpler (infrastructure framework) and more cost effective (an appliance) for an organization.

Room for Improvement:

I think there needs to be more tools to monitor and manage the Vblock™ as a whole, instead of pieces.

Scalability Issues:

Vblock™ has full scalability. It is flexible from storage to networking components to Cisco UCS blades & chassis (opinion - which in this day and age is one of the leaders in the industry for server hardware) and supports many different configurations.

Other Advice:

The views and opinions expressed above are the author's opinions and not do not necessarily reflect his employer’s policies or positions and the author does not intend to so represent his employer.

Disclosure: My company does not have a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer.
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it_user6903 - PeerSpot reviewer
it_user6903Head of Engineering at a tech services company with 51-200 employees
Top 10Consultant

Am not a user of Vblock technology but sounds like we have a similar offering from Oracle i.e. Oracle Exalogic Elastic Cloud which Oracle claims world’s Best Foundation for Applications:-)

Exalogic is a private cloud have options to create hundreds of server on the fly and lot of options there. Also it hardware and software engineered together to provide extreme performance, reliability and scalability for Oracle, Java and other applications, while delivering lower TCO, reduced risk, higher user productivity and one-stop support.

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VP of IT at a financial services firm with 51-200 employees
Vendor
Mar 7, 2013
I would recommend Vblock for a VDI solution.
Pros and Cons
  • "We were able to achieve significant capital savings in our tech refresh capital projects due to implementing the Vblock solution in our environment."

    Valuable Features:

    No downtime since implementation Excellent performance Ease of Management Time-to-Value

    Room for Improvement:

    Post integration support from vendor

    Other Advice:

    We were able to achieve significant capital savings in our tech refresh capital projects due to implementing the Vblock solution in our environment.
    Disclosure: My company does not have a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer.
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    it_user4875 - PeerSpot reviewer
    it_user4875VP of IT at a financial services firm with 51-200 employees
    Vendor

    We achieved an 8.3% ROI by reducing capital tech refresh budgets for laptop replacements. We also improved performance SLAs for internal and external users utilizing their virtual desktop versus VPN or the corporate network.

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    it_user4647 - PeerSpot reviewer
    Infrastructure Expert at a insurance company with 501-1,000 employees
    Vendor
    Feb 28, 2013
    1st Year in Review - pre-sales vs. reality

    Well we have just passed a year of Vblock ownership and the last year has passed rather painlessly.

    Our Vblock was one of the first out there, delivered in November 2011. I wanted to provide some pros and cons of Vblock ownership. Some of the themes are not Vblock specific, but worth bearing in mind because there will always be a gap between what you hear from pre-sales and what the reality is.

    Pros:

    VCE – The company has been constantly improving which is good to see. Not content to rest on their laurels, they really have grabbed the bull by the horns and they are innovating in a lot of areas.

    Vblock – The concept of the Vblock itself deserves a mention. VCE are definitely on the right path… it’s like the first generation Model T Ford. I’m sure old Henry had hundred’s of suppliers that provided the components for his Model T and he came along with the assembly line production and he put it all together. This is like what is happening over at VCE. Over time I’m hoping that the integration between components will become more and more seamless as the demand for pre-configured virtualisation platforms grows and grows and the designers behind each of the components are forced to work closer together.

    Management and Support - If you have a bloated IT support team in large sprawling organisation, a Vblock can help reduce your head count by simplifying your environment. One thing converged infrastructure platforms are good for, is breaking down the traditional support silos with regards to storage, network, compute, virtualisation. When all the components are so tightly integrated, your silo’d operations team morphs into one.

    Compatibility Matrix – This has to be the biggest selling point in my book. Taking away the pain of ensuring compatibility between so many different components. The VCE matrix is far more stringent than individual vendor product testing and therefore far more trust worthy. Try getting a complete infrastructure upgrade over a single weekend across storage, network, compute and virtualisation components through your change management team. It’s not going to happen unless it’s been pre-tested.

    Single line of support – Being able to call a single number when there is any issue, immensely simplifies fault finding and problem resolution. Worth it alone just for this and the matrix.

    Single pain of glass – This is where UIMp is starting to come into its own. It’s been a long road, but the future looks good. VCE’s goal is to replace each of the individual management consoles so that VCE customers can use UIMp for all their automated provisioning. When it works, it really does simplify provisioning.

    Customer Advocate – In my experience the customer advocate offers great value. Extremely useful when managing high severity incidents and ensuring your environment remains up to date and in support, with regular services reviews and providing an easy path into VCE to organise training sessions, bodies to fill gaps in support, provide direct line of contact to escalation engineers and just deal with any queries and questions you may have about your environment.

    Cons:

    The AMP – the major design flaw in the AMP for me is the 1GB network. Data transfers between VMs in our 10GB service cluster can achieve 300 Mbps; as soon as the AMP is involved it drops to 30Mbps. Really annoying and what is in the AMP' vCenter, which is used to import virtual machines. Let’s say you are doing a migration of 1000 VMs for example… that 30Mbps is going to get really annoying and it has.

    Cost – The Vblock hardware isn’t so bad, but what really surprised me is the amount of and cost of the licenses. Want to add a UCS Blade' No problem, that will be £5k for the blade and about £3k for the licenses – UCS, UIMp, VNX, vSphere,  etc. It all adds up pretty quickly. Ensuring you adequately size your UCS blades up front, i.e. plenty of memory and CPU is really important.

    Management & Support – Converged Infrastructure Platforms require a lot of ongoing support and management. This is an issue not limited to VCE. It’s just the nature of the beast. If you have  an immature IT organisation and have had a fairly piecemeal IT infrastructure and support team up until now, you will be in for a shock when you purchase a converged infrastructure platform. There’s no doubt a Vblock is an excellent product, but it’s excellent because it uses the latest and greatest, which can be complex. It also comprises multiple products  from 3 different vendors – EMC, Cisco and VMware, so you need the right skillset to manage it, which can be expensive to find and train. It takes at least a year for someone to become familiar with all components of the Vblock  You’re always going to have employees with core skills like virtualisation, storage, network, compute, etc, but you do want people to broaden their skills and be comfortable with the entire stack.

    Integration between products – See above, multiple products from 3 different vendors. At the moment the VCE wrapper is just that, little more than a well designed wrapper, lots of testing and a single line of support. Ok, so EMC own VMware, but it seems to make little difference. EMC can’t even align products within their own company, how on earth can they expect to align products with a subsidiary'  If the Vblock is going to be a single vendor product, then all 3x vendors need to invest in closer co-operation to align product lifecycles and integration. VMware release vCenter 5.1 and Powerpath have to release an emergency patch to support it' Going back to my Model T analogy, the Vblock is never going to become a real Model T until Cisco buys EMC or EMC drop Cisco and start making the compute\network components. Not so far fetched.

    Complexity – The VCE wrapper hasn’t changed the complexity. (This is the same with HP or Flexpod.) This is another myth. “We’ve made it simple!”. Er, no, you haven’t. You’ve just done all the design work and testing for us. Until the integration above takes places, which will allow for simplification of the overall package its going to remain just a wrapper and it’s still going to remain an extremely complex piece of kit. VCE have focused efforts on improving UIMp to simplify Vblock provisioning and to simplify Vblock management through a single interface but really these are just band aids if the individual components are made by separate companies.

    Patching – Even though there is a compatibility matrix, which does the integration and regression testing for you, it still doesn’t take away the pain\effort of actually deploying the patches. Having a Vblock doesn’t mean there is no patching required. This is a common pre-sales myth, ‘Don’t worry about it, we’ll do all the patching for you.’ Sure, but at what cost' Security patches, bug fixes and feature enhancements come out more or less monthly and this has to be factored in to your budget and over time costs.

    Monitoring and Reporting – This is a pain and I know there are plans afoot at VCE to simplify this, but currently there is no single management point you can query to monitor the vitals of a Vblock  If you want to know the status of UCS: UCS manager, VNX: Unisphere, ESXi: vCenter, etc. For example, you buy VCOps but that only plugs into vCenter, so you are only aware of what resources vCenter has been assigned. To get a helicopter view of the entire Vblock from a single console is impossible. UIMp gives you a bit of a storage overview: available vs provisioned, but does not give you much more than that. So you end up buying these tactical solutions for each of the individual components, like VNX Monitoring and Reporting. Hopefully soon we will be able to query a single device and get up to date health checks and alerting for all Vblock components.

    Niggles – There have been a few small niggles, mainly issues between vCenter/Cisco 1000V and vCenter/VNX 7500 but overall for the amount of kit we purchased it has not been bad. I think a lot of these issues had to do with vCenter 5\ESXi 5. As soon as Upgrade 1 came out, everything settled down. Note to self don’t be quick up upgrade to vCenter 6/ESXi 6!

    Disclosure: My company does not have a business relationship with this vendor other than being a customer.
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    it_user4854 - PeerSpot reviewer
    it_user4854Senior Technical Marketing Manager at a tech vendor with 51-200 employees
    Real User

    Gareth's review is honest, open, and the kind of feedback that our Sales Teams need to bring back to Engineering. I didn't take the article as VCE Bashing, and I hope my response wasn't interpreted as "defending" VCE. Rather, I wanted to explain to some of the thought behind our design decisions.

    Regarding the AMP, VCE's intent is to give a low-cost management infrastructure, separate from production per VMware's recommendations, to run the critical management applications only. Some larger organizations may want to pay for the added options of the Cisco VIC or 10 Gb CNA\NIC and a pair of 10 Gb switches to accommodate bandwidth requirements for additional management components. Customers may also want flexible virtual networking options. In all such cases, we need to hear that from you guys to influence future AMP designs.

    Regarding the Single vendor stack, VCE doesn't design all its parts, but our great Engineering organization gets us pretty close to that point. Bear with me as I shed some light on the great work that those ladies and gentlemen do.

    The Design Team takes the best components from industry. Instead of relying on manufacturer best practices, the team works with their counterparts at the Investor companies to truly understand how the components work. Then, they design the Vblock so that the components work together in the most optimal way. In addition, for each Release Certification Matrix (the big table of which component firmware versions match up), additional time is spent making sure that interoperability issues are not experienced by the customers. All these decisions are then vetted and put into exhaustive testing by our QA Teams.

    The aim is to prevent customers from having to think about the individual components and instead focus on the Vblock as a stack of optimized resources for critical applications. I'll break out the car analogy: When you purchase your car from <* insert favorite manufacturer *>, customers tend to care more about transportation rather than the components underneath (other than they are good quality).

    The manufacturer may source the brakes from Brembo, the clutch and flywheel from ACT, the stereo from Bose, etc. However, what the customer gets is an optimized product after the source components are fully examined and engineered into a single combined product (typically, within ~45 days of ordering already racked and stacked in the case of Vblocks)

    Now, there are customers who do care about individual components, as Gareth pointed out, and these concerns are based on real-world pain points. The Engineering Teams are always looking for feedback to make the Vblock better with each release. Keep the feedback coming, and keep your VCE Sales Reps in the loop too.

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