ARIS BPA Reviews

ARIS BPA is being used for process modeling, and we are planning to upgrade and enhance it for process mining and other purposes. We are using it for everything.

Currently, we are doing HRMS integration with ARIS BPA to get information about positions and organizational structures from HRMS and then load it into ARIS BPA. This is a good change for us and is the only integration we have done so far.

Currently, we are not using the performance monitoring and compliance checks features in ARIS BPA. We have plans to use them, but currently we are not utilizing them.

We do want to use different kinds of reports to monitor metrics or statistics to assess process performance and improvement with ARIS BPA. Once we have the system integration, we can do different kinds of analysis to find out how the processes are helping. This will be a game changer once we have the capabilities within the system. The enhancements are underway.

Everything related to ARIS BPA is helping us with regards to enhanced processes, strengthened controls, identifying risks, assessing process capabilities, and identifying where the gaps are and what kinds of activities within the processes are automated and manual. We are doing a lot of things with regards to the processes as it is at our heart. Processes are one thing and then we have different kinds of things which are related to it, such as SLAs, guidelines, and policy. We are identifying areas of improvement in other documents as well.

They are in the past because ARIS BPA has the capabilities to create workflows and to help us in process mining. Once we have those features enabled, we can use it for those purposes.

The process design in ARIS BPA does help with our operational efficiency.

What we are doing is object library management for various kinds of objects that we are using in ARIS BPA during our process modeling. We are using that to do a lot of analysis on how many times a system is being used in how many processes, who are the major stakeholders, and if we enhance one system, how is it going to impact other processes and integrated processes. This is helping us a lot.

Everything related to ARIS BPA is helping us with regards to enhanced processes, strengthened controls, identifying risks, assessing process capabilities, and identifying where the gaps are and what kinds of activities within the processes are automated and manual. We are doing a lot of things with regards to the processes as it is at our heart. Processes are one thing and then we have different kinds of things which are related to it, such as SLAs, guidelines, and policy. We are identifying areas of improvement in other documents as well.

We are not using any what-if scenario features in ARIS BPA.

Currently, we are not using the performance monitoring and compliance checks features in ARIS BPA. We have plans to use them, but currently we are not utilizing them.

This is going to be our fifth year using ARIS BPA.

We do experience a lot of glitches with ARIS BPA. In the past one year we have seen issues and the ARIS administrator has raised tickets with Software AG regarding these issues. However, these issues are in the past now.

ARIS BPA is easily scalable.

Support for ARIS BPA is always excellent.

I would give ten points to the technical support from Software AG for ARIS BPA product, from zero to ten, with ten being the best.

Positive

I had previous experience with MS Visio only with regards to process modeling, but I have not used anything else to compare to ARIS BPA.

It is pretty easy to deploy ARIS BPA.

It is a bit expensive regarding ARIS BPA.

However, ARIS BPA does save a lot of effort because this is one tool which can be used for multiple purposes and the viewers have the capability to perform different kinds of analysis, extract reports, and see processes. Price-wise, it seems a little pricey.

The pricing is the only concern we may consider regarding ARIS BPA.

Everything is already here in terms of features for ARIS BPA. All we have to do is explore which feature is there in which module and then have the installation and use that module.

Especially when we are moving towards ARIS Cloud, I am assuming that ARIS Cloud is very expensive. The overall rating for this review is ten out of ten.

From the POC and demos perspective, I am new to the team, so I just try now to sell the products for the BBM in general from ARIS BPA perspective and with NetHut, but I'm not that involved with it till this moment because there is another engineer in our company working on this. From my experience or from my communication only, I am trying to understand more about the solution to be able to sell it.

I am acting as a project manager, and in terms of experience, I am in touch with all the systems, but not in a technical perspective. When it comes to the Data Guard or Oracle Enterprise Manager, I am implementing these solutions in my project with the engineered systems.

I have worked with SEB CRM, specifically in a project for the Ministry of Electricity and Water, where I was responsible for creating OData services and integrating the payment third-party solution with SAP. I also worked as a technical resource in SAP, implementing a 360-view for customers in IVR or help desk environments, providing them with full visibility of customer information. I have experience with such solutions, but not in deep detail. While I was involved with some solutions, for the BPA level, I just know some information, not working with it deeply.

My expertise lies in integration because my background was focused on it, and I have handled integration solutions across levels using SubnetWeaver for application, data, or business process integration. I need time to maintain my expertise, and regarding ARIS BPA, I have some knowledge as I have already sent one, and hopefully, we will gain it soon regarding ARIS BPA implementation for one of the banks in Kuwait.

Our customers mainly use ARIS BPA as part of the implementation process; it shouldn't be the full implementation part. ARIS BPA is a tool to build models and frameworks for organizations or reengineer business processes from both functional and business perspectives.

After this, there should be another phase for projects to perform digital transformation of these solutions using good methods or custom implementations after finishing building the processes or models in the organization. ARIS BPA is intended for business process modeling and is not a full solution.

I reviewed ARIS BPA, and I noticed it was recommended by Gartner in 2024. The good thing about ARIS BPA is that it has integrated with WoodMethods—a powerful combination. ARIS BPA has features such as data mining, process simulation, and a market share of around 23% globally. Most implementations in the Middle East, including Saudi Arabia and Emirates, have relied heavily on ARIS BPA; for example, about 85% of government sector implementations in Dubai and Abu Dhabi were based on ARIS BPA, and we are currently trying to achieve similar results in Kuwait.

ARIS BPA is just a tool; if you do not feed it with valid data, it won't yield useful insights. However, if you provide it with proper information and correct data, it will give you relevant information. The effectiveness of ARIS BPA increases when the data is appropriately filled during the business process modeling.

They should examine competitor solutions to identify differentiators. One issue related to ARIS BPA is its integration with AI; it has AI features for cloud solutions, yet many in the government sector in Kuwait do not view the cloud as viable. Software AG should focus on developing AI models for ARIS BPA on-premises, particularly in user interfaces, as well as creating predefined business processes for common areas such as HR and finance. This aspect is crucial for adapting to the market's needs and streamlining custom solutions.

While they have been helpful regarding pricing, I cannot compare ARIS BPA to other business process modeling tools because I understand some competitors have significantly lower costs than ARIS BPA. To maintain market share, good discounts should be provided to customers.

I have been working with ARIS BPA for only about the last year.

As I am new to this, I cannot comment on stability or scalability issues with ARIS BPA; I have not faced any performance issues so far.

As I am new to this, I cannot comment on stability or scalability issues with ARIS BPA; I have not faced any performance issues so far.

ARIS BPA has two models or types of process design capabilities. One good feature we are facing here in Kuwait is the requirement related to identifying the cost of services provided by the government. Implementing this process manually can be very complex, but if you use ARIS BPA for this, it can provide you with the cost at each step of the business process model or workflow you have implemented. You can attach strategic planning data that helps identify costs effectively.

Data integration in ARIS BPA relates to business process modeling, but the level of detail in integration varies. I know of one vendor who built an enterprise wallet solution on top of ARIS BPA that serves as a dashboard for all ARIS BPA processes. While there is integration with ARIS BPA, it is limited, but it can provide all the risks related to business processes through one interface, enabling employees to access relevant information easily.

I have not worked with performance monitoring and compliance checking in ARIS BPA yet as I am new to it, and my first deal will occur in the next few months.

We do not have a direct partnership with ARIS BPA; instead, we maintain a partnership with Software AG, the company responsible for ARIS BPA, so ARIS BPA is a Software AG product.

WebMethods is not a business modeling tool; rather, it is a technology to implement a business model, while ARIS BPA is focused on building the business model itself.

In considering ARIS BPA, teams should review competitor offerings. They should focus on KPIs to inform how to improve business processes. It's essential to understand that ARIS BPA is a tool for building and documenting business processes and should not be seen as simply an implementation tool, as it serves a different purpose compared to other workflow solutions.

On a scale of one to ten, I rate ARIS BPA a nine.

I have been using ARIS BPA for more than 4 years. My clients include both governmental organizations and normal citizens. I work with G2G and G2B. I use ARIS BPA for drawing UML and BPMN to structure documents and blueprints to gather information from clients or stakeholders. I fill my documents using ARIS BPA overall. I also use ARIS BPA to generate process maps, process modeling, use case diagrams, state diagrams, and many other diagrams.

ARIS BPA covers many or all blueprints and functions that I need. In enterprise architect, I cannot find all blueprints. The most important aspect of business analysis is simplification. A business analyst must simplify the process or cycle, which is the main difference between business analysts and others. All activities and tasks must be detailed, and we must ensure all tasks and activities are clear enough to stakeholders. Business analysis documents must include many diagrams and blueprints to ensure stakeholders understand these documents.

ARIS BPA has high scalability and wide scalability for any enterprise or organization. The solution is very stable with no stability issues. I work with both governmental clients and normal citizens as users in G2G and G2B environments.

ARIS BPA needs to be more accurate when generating documents. While it covers many blueprints and functions that I need, the document generation feature could be enhanced for better accuracy.

I have been using ARIS BPA for more than 4 years.

ARIS BPA is very stable with no problems regarding stability.

ARIS BPA has high scalability and wide scalability for any enterprise or organization.

I have used Sparks and Visual Paradigm as alternative solutions.

I use ARIS BPA for general purposes, and when I want to create enterprise documents or enterprise architect picture documents, I use Sparks, which I find more professional.

Installation on devices is a very simple process. When working with a team, we can use the same database by choosing the location.

Regarding gateway scenarios, when a client, stakeholder, or actor has privileges and authority to provide approval or make decisions, this creates a what-if scenario. If the actor with authority makes an approval, the process will proceed to a specific event or activity. If the client or actor declines, it will take another path to a different activity. In conclusion, what-if represents the gateway to decision-making.

I have improved many areas with ARIS BPA, including the user interface and its capabilities in enterprise overall. I can enhance many workflows and activities in enterprise and make the system more user-friendly.

On a scale of 1-10, I rate ARIS BPA an 8 out of 10.

I use ARIS BPM mainly for implementing company policies and legislation to capture processes. I try to use ARIS as a single point of truth, connecting it to a library or source systems to strengthen its use cases, as acknowledged by higher management.

The maintenance capabilities of ARIS BPM and the strong underlying database are particularly valuable. It provides strong impact analysis features compared to other tools, such as Visio and PowerPoint, which are not comparable. Initially, ARIS was a standalone product but now benefits from cloud deployment, which enhances access and distribution across my organization.

I find it difficult to access the database as I want with direct querying. I must write scripts, which requires specific knowledge. Software AG could improve this by making the database more open. The user interface could be more attractive and user-friendly, as the database consistency, although strong, can limit flexibility.

I have been using ARIS BPM for about 15 years.

The stability of ARIS BPM is quite strong, rated eight out of ten. 

Although there are occasional issues with new service releases, I manage them well with the help of Software AG and by not being the first to implement new updates.

The scalability is rated between seven and eight. For user scalability, it is a matter of licenses, while functional scalability is supported and easy to implement. However, I do not use other interactive modules with each other, which limits my perspective on full scalability.

Customer support is rated eight out of ten. 

The consultants are fine, however, reliance on single experts for modules can be risky. Generally, they respond quickly to major incidents, which are rare.

Positive

I used multiple tools previously. Visio is still used but it does not directly compete with ARIS BPM as it serves different purposes. Workflow tools in my company also help visualize processes but differ from ARIS's use.

The initial setup involved asking the vendor to install it about 15 years ago. It is difficult to compare with current installations, which are now quicker as I have different environments and more familiarity.

Overall, ARIS BPM is rated eight out of ten. There is always room for improvement, particularly in database access and user interface design. Developers need specialized knowledge to query data, which could be simplified.

It's mainly used for our customers. The biggest plus point was interfacing with JDE or SAP. With a click of a button, you can import all the current processes the company is using in your chosen notation.

A definite benefit is that we can do process modeling and what-if analysis. Very few tools can do product analysis for processes well, and ARIS is definitely in the top two or three for that.

Surprisingly, it can handle almost all the business processes you can think of, from CRM and finance to HR and data development. I've used it for almost everything.

It's okay for a small team. It could be better, but for large teams, it might not be scalable enough. You might need to consider other options then.

The product still does what it does well, which is why it's popular. But, the user interface sucks.

ARIS has a good collaboration function. You create a portal where any authorized users can work on the models. There are simple flows for making and approving changes. 

If approved, you can deploy them directly through ARIS. It's a basic but functional collaboration tool, suitable for small teams. It might not scale well for large modeling teams.

ARIS needs to make a better user interface. The user interface sucks.

The problem with ARIS is that they have two interfaces for the same product. 

You can use either a Java application or a web interface. The web interface doesn't give you access to the same features as the Java application.

You have to switch between the two interfaces to get some things done.

The web interface is more intuitive, but it lacks the functionality of the Java interface. So I'd give it a six for that reason.

The Java interface has more functionality, but it tends to run out of memory and has its own set of problems. So, I'd also give it a six out of ten because of the technology choice.

It was really frustrating having two UIs for the same product, with some functionality in one and not in the other. They've got to do something about that.

I have been using it for eight years. ARIS has gone through a lot of changes in how it presents its information. The changes have been drastic. 

So, someone using the current version, CCio, may not be able to use the two earlier versions easily. They might remember some parts, but it's not easy.

It is fairly stable. The only issue you might have is with the Java client. If your system runs out of memory, the Java client can suddenly stop working. You just reboot your system and that's it. That's an issue only with the Java client, not the web client.

I would rate the stability a six out of ten. There is always room for improvement.  For example, having two user interfaces and some things working in one but not the other, that's where I would score it lower. As a user, I don't want to switch interfaces.

It's a fairly scalable solution. 

In fact, if you want to democratize business processes across an organization and have a portal where people can see the processes and how they integrate, ARIS is a great way to do that.

I would rate the scalability a seven out of ten. 

We've created a portal for ARIS and given access to everyone in that for a customer. Almost all executives are using it. 

But for the business process modeling team, that's a team of about 15 people. They were the only ones doing modeling and other ARIS tasks. View rights, all executives and above have it. 

We contacted tech support once for the single sign-on issue.

We were trying to do it based on the manual, and maybe it was unique for this client due to their certificate signing process. Even ARIS support found it interesting, and it was a discovery at both ends. 

So, the support was very collaborative and very helpful. They didn't expect the issue, and we didn't expect it either. It took a few days to find the answer.

Neutral

As an enterprise architect, you tend to gravitate towards one or two products. Most use ArchiMate because it's free and the standard tool. Then, you gravitate towards the tool you were exposed to first, which could be ARIS for me.

It should take about three hours to fully deploy and configure.

It can be done in-house. The information ARIS provided is pretty good. 

We only needed to reach out for help once, for a single sign-on issue related to certificates. It turned out to be a joint discovery, as they weren't aware of the specific sequence required for the certificates.

The deployment model is mostly on-premises. We did one proof of concept using Kubernetes container as well.

We saw an ROI. For example, with one of your biggest customers, we saved a lot of time discovering existing processes using ARIS. 

The time for gap analysis was significantly reduced because we could extract processes very quickly.

Signavio gave us a little bit of information on how those processes behave. Then, we have our target processes. And then, we did a fit-gap. 

The timeline for all this was compressed. With ARIS, we were able to extract information about the processes very quickly.

ARIS has different licensing mechanisms for different modules, but they are perpetual licenses. So you pay once.

It is a mid-range product in terms of licensing costs. So, it depends on what you want to get out of the tool. If you're just using it for business process modeling, the price might be okay. 

But if you want to use it as an enterprise architecture tool that also maintains all your artifacts, like architectures, infrastructure, and data architecture, then it might be expensive because it might not be able to do everything you need.

Overall, I would rate the solution a seven out of ten. If it's the first time you're buying a process modeling or enterprise architecture tool, I recommend looking at other options in the market. You might find something better.

I would recommend it because I'm comfortable with it. I'm comfortable with it, but I'm always on the lookout for something better.  

We are trying to define our business processes with ARIS BPA. We're just beginning the project, so we can't assess all the current features. We are using ARIS on-prem, not ARIS Cloud.

We chose ARIS because of its good reputation and familiarity with Software AG Tools.

Improvement should be made as per customer requirements.

I have been using ARIS BPA for the past six months.

We haven't had any stability issues with ARIS BPA.

The support from ARIS has been complete and helpful. The vendor's contact center is quick and efficient; we can work well together.

Positive

We can easily deploy the application and process. It's user-friendly. It took about one month to deploy the application and design the process.

The vendor provided a consultant, which was helpful.

Pricing for ARIS BPA is average, not cheap or expensive. It's cost-effective and worth the money we pay.

We researched and compared other tools, including IBM, but ARIS fit our requirements better.

I don't use AI-driven processes with ARIS BPA yet because our metrics level is too low.

 It is an easily implementable solution, the design process is nice and easy, and it's quick to learn. I would recommend this tool to others.

Overall, I would rate this tool a nine out of ten. It's not a ten because no tool is perfect.

Most of the use cases I worked with were for documenting processes and trying to do some visual analysis with the stakeholders involved in those processes. It was a very convenient way because the solution has a repository. It's an integrated database where you can see a lot of interconnected views of your whole enterprise, including applications, roles, processes, documents, risks, and controls.

You can model everything about your enterprise in an interconnected repository, which you cannot easily do with other document-based tools like Visio. An object you place in a document doesn't really have any connection to the same object with the same name that you place in another model.

The solution's flexibility, reporting, and ability to customize your set of models, connections, objects, and attributes was really a positive thing. That's why many customers use ARIS BPA, and we recommend it for those scenarios.

The most valuable features of ARIS BPA are its flexibility and reporting. You can use the solution to customize the whole set of objects and models. If you know a bit of programming, you can easily pull out or get data in ARIS BPA. You can even integrate the solution with other systems. The solution now has a REST API, which provides a lot of possibilities as the reporting does, but it's not quite there yet. We still depend a bit on the reports to integrate with other systems or fetch data from ARIS BPA very easily.

It's really a unified repository, and it's quite easy to configure and set up. Compared to other tools, the solution has good modeling, analysis, and visualization of processes. Currently, it has a really good process portal with a lot of nice functionalities. With the solution's search functionality, people can easily find processes relevant to them or where they are involved as someone executing some parts of the process or interfacing with another process.

A gas and oil company with oil rigs concluded that in the past, they had procedures always documented in some Word or PDF documents. It was really hard for people working on those rigs to follow these processes. They often disregarded or couldn't find relevant documentation. ARIS BPA improved their situation. People found it much easier to go to the portal, find their process, and link in more condensed documents. We can link some checklists to that activity. They find it much easier and user-friendly to follow and comply with the processes.

With the solution's process portal, you can present the whole content, and the users in the company can see how the process looks and what their roles are in the process. One company could even see screens of the applications that they need to use for that particular step in the process. It increases the documentation and serves as a knowledge base for the company employees on how to execute their processes.

ARIS BPA is a good solution for documenting and analyzing processes. We are really happy with the solution's reporting and documentation capabilities.

I always miss an execution module that is better than the current one. The current one is called ARIS Process Governance, and it's mostly focused on setting up internal workloads for ARIS and the process content. If you want to do some release cycle management processes, you would use the ARIS Process Governance module to create a workflow that sends tasks and emails to the users of ARIS.

ARIS BPA is not really a platform that offers you the opportunity to execute processes that you model. So, the model for execution is something that is missing. Typically, I wouldn't recommend ARIS as a process execution platform.

The solution is not built for automating and running workflows.

I have been using ARIS BPA for 15 years.

The awareness about business processes typically becomes much higher with the solution. Some organizations use Word documents, Excel, and PowerPoint to sketch up some business processes. This is typically done as a one-off exercise. Later, this gets forgotten, or someone leaves the company. Someone new comes, and then they may use a completely new methodology or way of modeling or working.

The positive thing about ARIS BPA is that you can easily set up and configure your methodology once. Then, everyone using it uses the same way of modeling processes, depicting different relationships between objects, models, roles, applications, etc.

You can establish a new unified methodology that can be expanded later on as you grow, or you want to model some other artifacts within your enterprise. It does help you establish a common methodology and a common repository to build your business process management and business process analysis suite.

Overall, I rate the solution an eight or nine out of ten.

We use the platform for document automation and capture all the processes.

ARIS BPA has valuable reporting capabilities.

ARIS BPA's scripting language takes work to understand. Even a JavaScript developer has to learn the language to write the script. This particular area needs to be easier to understand.

The user interface could be more intuitive and better designed. There is a lot of unused space in the interface, which could be utilized. Additionally, the color needs to be changed to make it more user-friendly.

We have been using ARIS BPA for five to six months overall.

The product crashes sometimes. They could provide clearer documentation detailing the right GDPR releases for installation on laptops or desktops. This documentation should not just state a generic version like "JDK 11" but provide specific details, such as recommending a certified or tested JDK version like "GE 11.0.19. Given the frequent updates in JDK releases—such as those from Oracle and Java, occurring nearly every week—it becomes essential to specify the precise compatible version and any performance implications between 32-bit and 64-bit architectures. Additionally, aligning the development environment (potentially using JDK 17) with the executable's certification (such as JDK 11.0.19) is crucial for consistency and stability when users download and use the solution.

We have 20 ARIS BPA licenses in our organization. It is a nice software. I rate its scalability a nine out of ten.

We are also using an open-source VPN solution.

The initial setup is easy. We have deployed it on-premise and in the cloud. We are a large organization requiring an IT team to manage the installation. I rate the process a nine out of ten.

The product is inexpensive.

ARIS BPA's facilitate the visualization of change management during the development phase. We can extract the factory report directly. It is quite encouraging for the users. It has been in the best leadership position in Gartner since 2023.

I rate it a nine out of ten.

We use ARIS BPA for process modeling and the repository of our processes.

ARIS BPA has the kind of database structure to report from across all the models, roles, and systems. The solution provides integrations to ServiceNow and other systems, flexibility of connectivity, and reporting.

Sometimes, ARIS BPA breaks down, and its stability can be improved.

We had ARIS BPA in our organization for ten years, but it was never really leveraged. We have been using it more heavily for a year now.

Around 500 users are using ARIS BPA in our organization.

The solution’s initial setup seems to be a bit difficult.

I would recommend ARIS BPA to other users.

Overall, I rate ARIS BPA an eight out of ten.

Over the years I have used ARIS in many ways depending on the project, and I have experience with many different versions of it. I've used versions seven, eight, and now ten. About ten years ago, I worked on developing ARIS and its standardization for six months.
When I first started using it, I used to build a center of excellence for a global project. We used it to document the expansion process of our company to the global market. There were a lot of Visio files and it was quite disorganized since anyone could edit the files however they would like. We tried to turn the Visio files into something more formal. For a year, we used a low-end tool to document the process. With ARIS, we documented around 2,000 processes. We used it to organize and create a publishment where people could find what they're looking for.

I like everything about ARIS BPA. I've used it for a long time and I think it's a fantastic tool. There is a list of things ARIS has that other solutions do not have.

The solution does not have an efficient way to track employees' work. It shows who worked on something last, but that overwrites the history of changes in a way. It is supposed to provide information on team activity, but it does not do that. The creators of the solution elaborated in great detail on quality control and thought about every possibility, but they didn't make that useful and simple to use. The overhead maintenance is good.

I have been using ARIS BPA since 2010. 

The solution is very scalable. A ten out of ten. There is nothing even remotely close to it on the market. 

ARIS BPA is an extremely stable solution.

ARIS' technical support team is great.

Positive

Many years ago, we used BusinessOptix at our company. 

The initial setup of ARIS BPA is simple. When we first started using it, it was deployed on-premises. The latest version was deployed on cloud and it only takes a few days. It promises to teach you how to do that, but that is not very helpful since your company's team and organization need to be suitable for this kind of complexity. It's web-based, but there are technical limits to what you can do with it. In a way, it encourages you to purchase more and more if you want to maximize its usability. It does not teach you how to use it and it's very formal. Although ARIS is a fantastic tool, it would be better if it was focused on the customer's success. It requires a lot of maintenance.

ARIS BPA is extremely expensive and the training time for it is extensive.

I had a hard time with ARIS' access and licensing policy. It requires you to pay for each step you want to take forward with the solution. To get the documentation, you need to be an administrator. If you want the license to read the documentation of the process, you need to be some kind of administrator/support account, but you will need to pay for the support. Even if I'm qualified they will not provide me with the documentation. Instead, they will ask you to print it out and send the request to them. I had to wait two months to get the account and six months to get the contract. All of that is extremely time-consuming.

I have seen how MEGA works and it is definitely more user-friendly than ARIS.

The requirements are extremely high and it takes a skilled professional to use it properly. Whether it's a big or a small company, it has to be used by someone who is familiar with its complexity. You should be aware before purchasing the solution that it is not simple to use and it takes time to learn. ARIS' free tool is much easier to use. I work in Germany, but I think they made ARIS less complex in other countries.

When it comes to ARIS BPA as a tool, I would rate it a solid ten out of ten. It's a fantastic tool, but it is not easy to achieve results with it. The chances of producing what is promised by the vendor are zero.